Tulpa.info - metaphysics

I don't have enough experience to decide whether or not I believe they continue existing without your attention , but I would say not being conscious of them definitely means they don't exist for you in that moment

6:09 PM

But that sorta goes for everything

yeah

I suppose my main concern with getting back into this thing is that I'm not sure if it's worth my time

6:33 PM

My sleeping tup definitely has some strong connections to Babalon, but my intuition tells me that it's better to just work directly with her instead of going through an intermediary

6:33 PM

But I suppose there's a lot of stuff besides that sort of working that could be useful to my practice

Well you can't work directly with her, gods only appear through vessels that we can perceive - they are beyond perception otherwise.

8:42 PM

Or rather they extend out of perception too

8:43 PM

But yeah tulpas aren't very useful for magic because their purpose is to be a different yet fully human perspective/individual within the same consciousness. If you want a helper for a specific thing, just make that, not a tulpa

8:44 PM

My tulpa as a divine thing is only a role that she plays sometimes

Raptoir

Well you can't work directly with her, gods only appear through vessels that we can perceive - they are beyond perception otherwise.

I'm aware that the appearance of deities is just sorta the intersection of their force with our perception, but I'd rather have my perception be "raw" instead of funneling it through something I have made

Yeah that's kinda what I mean

I'm thinking I'll probably start working with tulpas again, but leave it out of magick for now and experiment with them together later

That would be my suggestion too.

what exactly is magick and how is it diferent from magic? @Deleted User

Txoka

what exactly is magick and how is it diferent from magic? @Deleted User

Just spelled with a k to distinguish it from stage magic and sleight of hand

thats handy

sleighty of handy

As far as definition, the one I take is "the art and science of causing change in your environment in conformity with your will"

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

sleighty of handy

i thought of that

10:58 PM

but didnt want to make the joke lol

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As far as definition, the one I take is "the art and science of causing change in your environment in conformity with your will"

that is actually a definition of magick i like

Whether that be using your nerves to pick something up and move it

i understand art, but how is that a science?

not meaning the art of but the practice of

10:59 PM

thats how i understand it

Or doing a complex ritual to put yourself in a position of unlimited power

11:01 PM

It's a science in that doing certain gets certain results

11:02 PM

Not magic in the sense that you say some gibberish and the thing you want to happen does

five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability

i wouldnt call it a science since its probably not testable like normal science, but i could accept it as a practice or an art

even psychology doesn't meet that

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

even psychology doesn't meet that

yep

practice probably fits better

does kitkat meet that?

shield!

11:04 PM

i missed you

11:04 PM

where have you been

then go back to #lounge

sh

does kitkat meet that?

katie actually thought about the same kitkat joke but didnt want to tell it lol

11:05 PM

actually it was a combined thought, katie triggered it

why did you steal katie's joke shield

11:05 PM

or is it just purple connection

is magick

11:06 PM

purple entities have a inherent connection

11:06 PM

there is actually a lot of purple

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability

That's a totally fair definition of science, it's definitely not something taken very seriously in the academic world

11:15 PM

As far as individual work goes, I'd say any magician worth their salt will observe all but the quantifiable part

11:18 PM

But I would have to concede its definitely not an exact science

11:20 PM

The image in my mind is of how red and blue paint will always mix to purple and never yellow, but it's impossible to get exactly the same shade of purple twice

Would magical practice affect the development of a tulpa? Cuz I know that magic affects young children negatively, and I guess Tulpas in their early stages are kinda like that, with their parts still developing? (edited)

12:57 AM

Might be a bit of a stretch but is still a concern

how does magic affect young children negatively?

Young children can be a bit more sensitive to magic, and so (in the course I’m taking) parents are advised to not practice magic because their own magic might affect the child negatively and cause nightmares, sickness, other adverse affects. It depends on the child, the type of magic, and the connection between parents.

1:17 AM

General rule of thumb is wait until the kid is 7 years old, but it can depend.

The reason this channel is here is because tulpamancy originated as a magical concept

1:20 AM

On that basis, I would say no. But I do not practice any of it, so I cannot tell you for sure

Mm alright.

As far as children go, I think that'd depend on what your doing?

1:45 AM

Yes, it would. Currently I’m attempting ritual work weekly, meditation, and visionary practice, if that is helpful.

1:45 AM

What kinda ritual work, if you don't mind my asking?

1:46 AM

Meditation should completely harmless and is a great practice to do with/for tulpamancy

1:50 AM

Mmm basic directional ritual for protection. Nothing super fancy because I’m still very much a beginner.

1:50 AM

Ah, I'd say you're totally fine

1:51 AM

Like maybe if you were doing work with goetic spirits and such, you could mayyybe have some harm done

1:51 AM

But if you're safe, your tups are safe

1:52 AM

Ah, got it. That’s good to hear.

1:52 AM

They might be a bit more sensitive due to being closer to the unconscious, but honestly that could be a blessing

1:53 AM

Like how some people will use young children as seers because of their sensitivity

1:54 AM

Oh interesting ! That is something I will have to look into then, that could be very useful if they’d be alright with it

Always interesting conversation happening here

Lusovius

Always interesting conversation happening here

For instance, the conversation currently happening in #server-discussion is quite interesting indeed.

Oh, I tend to stay away from all the other channels in this server. I was specifically talking about this channel

It's really not that interesting but it gives me a distraction from my own problems so I am vibing with it

A bit over a year ago I was thinking of learning magic to make my visualisation ability better, thinking it didn't matter whether or not any actual extra hidden physics was involved, if it got the result then that would be good. I did not actually end up putting the work in to learning magic though. Zen wrote that the magic someone did to improve his visualisation ability worked by helping him disassociate from his senses. And thinking back, that actually fits with my memories. What harmed my mind's eye ability was taking a drug that prevented my mind from disassociating from my senses, so I studied more efficiently. The ability I used to have of imagining multiple moves ahead in a board game was about dissociating from what I was seeing. The post-drug feeling of snapping back to my senses is similar to how it felt when I had the drug in my system. This is not legal or medical advice I am giving here kids, but maybe discuss with your doctor not doing drugs, kids.

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Would magical practice affect the development of a tulpa? Cuz I know that magic affects young children negatively, and I guess Tulpas in their early stages are kinda like that, with their parts still developing? (edited)

magic will not damage your tulpa unless you think it will

Fair point

:)

Honestly goes for 90% of the supposed dangers

12:35 AM

Yeah that sounds about right lmao

I was at top golf the first time today. And that sounds weird but I felt like a memory coming up, as if being at top golf triggered me reminding me of a past life where I was there. It’s like experiences unlock things. I’ve heard of people going to healers and they tell them who and what they were in one of their past lives. Now I’m not sure if this is real. But I can’t explain it otherwise.

spicyorange

I was at top golf the first time today. And that sounds weird but I felt like a memory coming up, as if being at top golf triggered me reminding me of a past life where I was there. It’s like experiences unlock things. I’ve heard of people going to healers and they tell them who and what they were in one of their past lives. Now I’m not sure if this is real. But I can’t explain it otherwise.

Your brain can do crazy stuff, i wouldnt assume it was a past life...

spicyorange

I was at top golf the first time today. And that sounds weird but I felt like a memory coming up, as if being at top golf triggered me reminding me of a past life where I was there. It’s like experiences unlock things. I’ve heard of people going to healers and they tell them who and what they were in one of their past lives. Now I’m not sure if this is real. But I can’t explain it otherwise.

Kinda sounds like a strong de ja vu for me

Yeah I get a lot of deja vu. Like I’ve been places I’ve never been

The best association i have when i think of "unlocking memories" is moments when something reminds you of dream you forgot. I feel like dreams are generally good example of memory barriers in action. (edited)

10:32 AM

As i imagine it, theres lot of information without strong associative connections to other things in your brain, and so it is mostly never processed conciously, cause train of thoughts is usually riding the widest road possible. But outside experiences can knock it to the unused and forgotten territory sometimes.

I dunno if this is the right channel for this question but is it possible to confuse tulpa thoughts with spirit thoughts if like, you're clairaudient or get thoughts from guides?

Hai

heyo

Hrrruuu

what is your understanding/interpretation of system hopping?

I just know its where you can either see into another system or temporarily go into it?

do you think you could for example gain a memory from another body?

10:20 PM

tulpa cloning is possible but you cannot share thoughts between brains except through words, experiences cannot be shared

10:20 PM

i gues you are thinking on some kind of soul-like tulpas? like in an spiritual way?

Like I mean in a spiritual sense, so anyone could possibly

i dont share that interpretation, i dont see how that would explain better any of my experiences. but even if you decide to believe that, i dont think there is any evidence of system hopping... there might be some hopping like phenomena in which someone vividly imagines something that happened to another body maybe

I'm not saying I believe it exists, I'm just curious if it actually does

probably not

10:26 PM

both me and nifty think that there is nothing non-physical